Yesterday, Today, & FOREVER The King of Pop

His Spirit-uality

Yes, for many people Michael Jackson is ‘just’ a great musician, for some he’s a freak, for some he’s a genius. But there are also many who recognize the extraordinary spiritual qualities of this man as well. For sure these are the ones who do not scream their opinion as loudly and aggressively into the world as others do.

That the greatest entertainer of all times also has got other — much more essentially — thoughts and traits many do not know. Fans do but few others know about his book ‘Dancing the Dream’ which contains spiritual texts and poems by Michael Jackson. We collected the original texts for you on our homepage, and in the following I’ll point out single passages to you and give you the links to the originals.

Now I want to show you some of my reflections about the theme ‘spiritually’ and here I especially want to include the book: ‘the mystery of Michael Jackson and Sathya Sai Baba’ which was written by Dr. Margott Schürings in the year 1999. Unfortunately it’s only available in German at the moment, but here in every bookstore. To get more information go to: I’ll mark quotations out of the book with white colour. In 2002 Margott Schürings became a member in ‘Fanship turns to Friendship — we care for Michael Jackson and I found many of my own thoughts and also a lot new and interesting views in her really great book.

Also at the beginning I have to say that I find it difficult to write about this issue – especially to do that in easy words, because to me that’s something that I can better feel than describe. And we all know how difficult it is to put feelings into words!

‘Spirituality’ is a broad term? You can replace the word through many others and every person has his/her own view about it. Nevertheless I want to take it as generic term for all those thoughts which go beyond all you already found on the FttF-site. There we talked about Michael Jackson as a normal human being like you and me but here we go even further and ask ourselves if there’s even MORE concerning Michael, his person and personality. Not ‘more’ in the sense of glory and wealth but in the sense of his ability to love and to give.

What makes Michael Jackson a very special human being? Regarding the quotations above you could find terms like ‘angel’, ‘saint’ and ‘a highly developed soul’. To many those idioms may mean nothing and this is not reprehensible at all. When they think of an angel many people think of a baroque curly-head with wings and mostly just very few clothes on. Remains the question if angels do have wings indeed or… is it even the other way round, and actually all of us have wings, and we just don’t know of it…! Therefore read this story and draw your own conclusions…: “Wings of love.”

No matter what you may think, just go through the following text and remain open for what you will find there. Maybe there is something that moves you or makes you think about it. Maybe you’ll find something you can include into your philosophy of life, something you already felt yourself a long time ago. Maybe you just want to smile about how others can wildly philosophise…

It seems to be fact that the character Michael Jackson is different from other people. Uri Geller describes people’s fascination in Michael with these words:
"This, I promise, is how you will react when you meet Michael Jackson: you’ll stare, you’ll start, you’ll step up and you’ll freeze. Everyone does the same thing – fans, celebrities, journalists, children, parents, shoppers, waitresses, prime ministers, prime ministers’ bodyguards … First you look. Michael has the most arresting appearance of any man I ever saw. It isn’t only the face, and the clothes. It’s the aura. But before you have taken that in, you’ll start to move towards him. Instinctively. You take a step or two, and freeze. It’s like being hit by a wave of awareness, first of all pushing you forwards and then stopping you cold in the backwash."

But what’s the main point? What makes Michael Jackson so special? It has to be something you cannot see with your eyes. So it’s definitely not the nose!

Sathya Sai Baba declares: “There is only one language – the language of the Heart”.

Another proverb says: "You only can see well with your heart, the essence is invisible for eyes."

We have to be clear about the fact that we have more then five senses to recognize our environment. Some know that you can really sense and see also and especially with the heart. There are things you can simply feel, others which you know without being acquainted with the source of your knowledge. That may sound difficult and Margott Schürings asks herself, too: What is the reason that we have so many difficulties to recognize Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson is aware that people don’t know him and don’t recognize him, not only people who have an indifferent attitude towards him, but also those, who call themselves his fans.
But of course nobody of us would think that he did not understand! Except the ones who don’t think at all and just take everything easy wanting to have their fun – everything that brings joy to them.

Let’s look at a quotation of Michael:
"…I know my fate is to show others that this silence, this light, this blessing is my dance. I take this gift only to give it again. "Quick, give!" says the light. As never before, I try to obey…”  (Michael Jackson, Dance Of Life, Dancing the Dream)
Silence, blessing, dance – it all becomes a oneness. And that’s his (one of his) messages to the world. Michael Jackson wants to give. He wants to give something to others which he has made out for himself. And this is something positive, no doubt. It’s also sure that he sees himself as an instrument of nature which serves to get others something that God once has given him as a present.

“Love, you feel lots of love and I feel blessed and honoured to be able to be an instrument of nature that was chosen to give them that, what I give them. I’m very honoured and happy about that… to just give music and love and harmony to the world. To children of all ages, and um, adults and teenagers.“ (Michael Jackson, Oprah-Interview, 1993). And Michael writes: “I was born to never die, to live in bliss, to never cry, to speak the truth and never lie, to share my love without a sigh.” (Michael Jackson, Ecstasy, Dancing the Dream)

Obviously one special quality of this man is his will and wish to give. And at the same time exactly this is the essence of love. Though many people confuse love with the fulfilment of their own interests through someone else:
Who wants to hold on and grasp instead of loving, must necessarily interfere and violate the universal law of flowing, that nothing and nobody can be hold on, because all energy and all life are permanently flowing, continuously moving on. Holding on means being dead. True love is freedom and letting go.

The misuse of "love“ is the most powerful weapon of the ego, with which it tries to get through its selfish interests. … The ego only and ever sees and seeks its benefits, it lives and acts at the expenses of others, it sucks and abuses – for the simple reason as it is nothing out of itself and depends totally on the energy of others.

A fact Michael also is aware of when he writes:
Some people spend their lives looking for love outside themselves. They think they have to grasp it in order to have it. …When (love) is allowed to be free, love is what makes life alive, joyful, and new. It’s the juice and energy that motivates my music, my dancing, everything. As long as love is in my heart, it’s everywhere. (Michael Jackson,
Love, Dancing the Dream)
Michael’s kind of love makes free and living. And it’s a form of love which also gets free and so can flow further on to others. Michael does not take from others but gives to them – what more can I give.

Do you wonder why the other way round it’s mostly not the case? There’s no doubt that the media, reporters, business-men but also a bunch of socalled ‘friends’ take advantage of Michael Jackson. They definitely have a material use from him. Many fans all the time discuss about who really wants the best for ‘their Michael’ and who is only another freak which misuses him. They judge others, kick up passionate rows, but we also should ask what the situation is like among the own ranks (but of course you can never lump them all together).

Michael Jackson believes love to be the motivating power also of behaviour that nobody is able to understand. Instead of judging and condemning those who make his life miserable, he is able because of his strongly developed sense of compassion to look through the outward and recognize the behaviour as a manifestation of love. People who are standing permanently in the spotlight or – like Michael calls it – are living in a "fishbowl“, are confronted with an enormous subtle pressure and robbed of their energy. Only a few celebrities are able to stand this energy-vampirism. Legions are those who collapse due to the pressure and flee to drugs, alcohol and sex.

What is it that enables a person to concentrate on the intent instead of the outer behaviour? Wherefrom originates the power to love those who hurt us? What quality of love is it which gives and shares so generously?

Fans claim to love their idols. Thus the destructive aspects of their fanaticism are veiled. Fans are hunting for energy, want to incorporate their idols and bleed them. They are on the egocentric stage of development and not able to identify with those whom they adore. They put their idols on a pedestal to admire and idolize them and to bleed them like vampires. They dance "around the Golden Calf“. It serves as a screen of projection to project all that what they don’t think to find in themselves due to their reverse view and what they are thus searching in others.

An example which scared me personally. Fans discussed about a personal friend of Michael. One of them refused every thought that this friend may really do Michael good. He argued hard and ill-considered: Michael’s real friends are we, his loyal and devoted fans all over the world. It’s always been this way and it’ll be forever… All others keep your mouth shut.”

How could he forget that it’s been these very friends whom Michael called when he didn’t feel well, whom he told the progresses of his children, with whom he talked about everything that was important to him?! But no, just the fans are the ones who have got a right to their idol. To them he should give, for them he should make records and tours. Them he should show that he’s still the King of Pop. For them he should live…
„Creatures crawl in search of blood…“
(Michael Jackson,
Thriller, album Thriller)

„You got blood lust for me.“
(Michael Jackson,
2Bad, album HIStory)

"It seems you get your kicks from hurting me, don’t try to understand me, because your words just aren’t enough."
(Michael Jackson,
Give In To Me, album Dangerous)

"Everyone’s taking control of me, seems that the world’s got a role for me, I’m so confused will you show to me, you’ll be there for me, and care enough to bear me.”
(Michael Jackson,
Will You Be There, album Dangerous)

… The world and all people who are setting an example would be served in a better way when their admirers and adorers would behave like friends – instead like fans. … Every time we take from takers the reservoir is limited to what the taker took. When we on the other side become givers, everything is available in abundance.

What is it that hinders people to look for the source of all energy? They look at life as an end in itself with the only purpose to have pleasure and have a nice life. On the hunt for sensual pleasure and delight they don’t hold on, because otherwise they would feel the void that results from fleeting pleasures. To fill the void they pounce like greedy vultures on everything that promises to eliminate this horrible feeling – maybe only for a second.

The way out is clear: Instead of sucking energy from others we have to come back to the source of all energy in our own inner. Only thus the dignity of all humans will be restored instead of degrading them as objects of greed.

We can see with Michael Jackson for example how much suffering this energy hunting causes. He has talked about the high price of his fame. More than 36 years – nearly a whole life of labour – he is persecuted incessantly, billions of eyes are permanently staring at him.
The time has come to create a balance between giving and taking. We have to re-remember that we are all embodiments of God and have to attach to the source inside ourselves to fill us and reach fulfilment. Then we don’t need other people anymore as suppliers of energy, but we can follow the principle of oneness of giving and receiving.

When we are attached to our Self, there is no need to interfere, but we are able to wait in stillness until the veil of ignorance will also uplift for the rest of humanity. Then we follow the commandment and prayer of Jesus: "Lord forgive them because they don’t know what they are doing.“

A accomanist describes a scene in London in 2002:
"As we climbed out, Michael was separated from his minders. A knot of people lunged forward, and I saw him stumble. For a sickening moment he was out of sight amid the threshing bodies. I realised, with a lurch of horror, that he could have been kicked down onto the tracks, into the wheels. I was sweating with anxiety when he emerged, ten seconds later, scrambling under the arms of the fans with their posters and placards. We sprinted for the carriage door and I helped him through. He tumbled into a seat, his hair plastered to his face. I felt so badly for him that I couldn’t even trust myself to ask if he was all right… I had a sick certainty he was going to tell me, "I could have been killed, and it was your dumb, stupid fault." But what he actually said, with a beatific grin that made me burst out laughing with relief, was: "I’m OK, Uri Geller. Don’t worry. Don’t be angry with the people out there, because they didn’t know what they were doing. And I love them." I’m Jewish, but at that moment I thought of another man who said, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

Is there anybody who makes it to not get goosepimples reading this? Nevertheless there came the strongest protests from fan-rows that Michael would love that and that you should not overact. They say it’s not been that terrible and it’s also not been the fault of the fans but the press – like always. There were even such who complained that afterwards they didn’t open Michael’s compartment for the fancrowds … Yes, the very people who were concerned knew everything better – of course. Those didn’t hear and see anything except what was/is useful for the fulfilment of their own needs. But those who didn’t depend on that, who don’t need to  draw satisfaction from such meetings, they saw it. And their heart broke in this very moment since they describe the most horrific scenes of their lives…

What responsibility arises from that for Michael’s fans?
"It has been said that an individual must become the embodiment of Love to heal. This is a scientific truth.." (Book of Life, p. 174)

Everybody who has mastered his emotions and thoughts and is able to maintain the state of inner harmony and equanimity – no matter what is happening in the outer world -, can serve as a channel for the power of cosmic, unconditional, selfless love, which is the only power in the universe to make a real and lasting difference and to bring about a transformation. When the fans of Michael Jackson become friends and follow his ideals – instead of their idol -, when they become active contributors to the giant task of transforming the planet Earth, then they have known the message and themselves.

Michael’s fans should understand, that they are not serving their example and idol, when they adore and worship him, but are not aware of his message and his ideals. That is nothing else than serving an idol like the dance of the Israelites around the Golden Calf. Who is busy with superficialities, is shut off from the power of love.  Also the one who only absorbs it like a sponge and than waits until the sponge is dried up to fill himself again, doesn’t serve the whole, but behaves like a parasite. Parasite survive from the energy of other living beings, they suck and abuse them without giving anything themselves. That stands in contradiction to the universal law of life and leads to death and destruction.


Michael’s message

“I assure you that unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the Kingdom of heaven. The greatest in the Kingdom of heaven is the one who humbles himself and becomes like this child. And whoever welcomes in my name one such child as this, welcomes me.” (Matthew 18,3), Jesus says, and according to this Michael obviously would be in good hands there.

“I’m trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children, and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all and I love that.” (Michael Jackson talks to Oprah, 1993)

“The innocence of children represents to me the source of infinite creativity. That is the potential of every human being. But by the time you are an adult, you’re conditioned …” (Michael Jackson, Ebony, 1992)
Yes, but what about all of this talking about innocence? Why should it be of interest to be like that and live like that? Isn’t it in the nature of mankind to grow, to develop and automatically become an adult? And what does Michael mean with ‘conditioning’?

The first is quite clear — a child sees and enjoys the world differently from an adult. For the child everything is new. It gazes the wonder of creation with fascination and joy. Many adults have lost that ability, because everything became too common and too natura. Well, and because it’s almost embarassing to bend down at the wayside just to let a ladybird crawling onto your finger, to admire its beauty, whisper a wish and then send him away into an unknow journey — and all that while you have just been deepened in a conversation about politics in the USA. Besides, if you do bend down, those disturbing fat-rings emerge so much — and what does that look like??! … That’s by the way, what Michael might mean with ‘conditioning’ — with time adults built their own rules how to behave in different situations. Stimuluis-Reaction, a simple sceme. But it’s nothing more than learned reactions with hardly any spontaneity. The child immediately would ran over to the bug with an exultant scream — not a second thinking about if what it does is appropriate, nice and right. It simply does it, and wise people know: this unreflected reaction is the much more appropriate, nice and right one. Because it creates a connection from man and nature and pets the soul.

“Yet there is a deep truth in innocence. A baby looks in his mother’s eyes, and all he sees is love. As innocence fades away, more complicated things take its place.” (Michael Jackson, Innocence, Dancing the Dream)

“I think what they get from me I get from them … My greatest inspiration comes from kids. Each song, every dance I do, all the poetry I write. It’s all inspired from this level of innocence, that consciousness of purity. And children have that. I see God in the face of children.” (Michael Jackson, Living with Michael Jackson, 2003)

The other thing is that children only want one thing: being loved. They don’t manipulate others for reasons. Well, actually that’s not the full truth. One of the first things children learn in their life is how to get other people doing something they want them to. So to say, screaming and crying to get attention and care. But this is not the same like manipulating in the way adults do to get advantages out of it. Children just want to reach things they need to survive and stay healthy. Most of all that’s love. If a child is full and loved it hardly longs for something else. In the same way Michael seems to want nothing more than being loved: “Before you judge me, try hard to love me.” (Michael Jackson, Childhood, HIStory).

“I just simply want to be loved wherever I go. All over the world, because I love people of all races from my heart, with true affection.” (Michael Jackson talks to Oprah, 1993)

The motives of adults who reach out for certain things seem to lie widely beyond this aera. Grown people can derogate others and hurt them very much, just to enrich themselves. And who knows better than Michael Jackson who had been betrayed and abused by so many adultes — and everything motivated by the greed for might and wealth! “Adults have let me down. Adults have let the world down.” (Living with Michael Jackson, 2003).

Michael’s biggest wish is that we all again become children in our hearts. Because he believes that that’s the way to rescue our world. This is Michael Jackson’s real mission, and he strongly believes in it like all prophets do.

„Ich sorge mich wegen der Kinder, alle meine Kinder auf der ganzen Welt, ich lebe für sie. … Aber ich muss das Ziel erreichen. Ich muss durchhalten, aufgrund der macht, für die ich geschickt wurde, für die Welt, für die Kinder.“ (Michael Jackson, People, 1987)

“Child of innocence, I miss your sunny days …
Child of innocence, return to me now …
Child of innocence … Come fly with me far and above
Over the mountains in the land of love …
Child of innocence, messenger of joy,
You’ve touched my heart …
My soul is ablaze with a flagrant fire
To change this world is my deepest desire.”
(Michael Jackson,
Child of Innocence, Dancing the Dream)
“Children of the world, we’ll do it …
We’ll swing the tide of time and do it …
Children of the world, we’ll do it …
With song and dance and innocent bliss …
We’ll do it.”
(Michael Jackson,
Children of the World, Dancing the Dream)

Let’s go back to the Rabbi who said that Michael seems to sit in Paradise, playing and waiting that all people go the same way to live toghether with one another and with nature in peace and harmony. And in no way is Michael alone with this point of view or better: this feeling:
“A great man is the one who kept a childlike heart.” Menicus, confucian philosoph.

“I love children and young, innocent souls. I don’t admit blaming them.” Sathya Sai Baba.

And finally there’s God … To be so tight to life and nature and to keep such a close relation to children, you also have to keep a close connection to God. From their source children naturally are much tighter to God than older people. And without any doubt Michael Jackson believes very much in God. “I believe in God, absolutely, absolutely, very much.” (Michael Jackson talks to Oprah, 1993). He was raised as a Jehowa’s Witness. But being about twenty years old, Michael is said to have left this special church. He seemed to have noticed something — that God isn’t just the God of one denomination but God of all people. Michael believes that mankind is (or at least should be) an oneness, an unity of all nations, races and religions. We all are God’s children and that’s why God has to be much more all-embracing. Michael doesn’t think much of a division of people, no matter which attributes cause it. There’s not a You or a Me, just a We he says in his prose “I You We” (Dancing the Dream).

“It’s strange that God doesn’t mind expressing Himself/Herself in all the religions of the world, while people still cling to the notion that their way is the only right way. Whatever you try to say about God, someone will take offense, even if you say everyone’s love of God is right for them.

For me the form God takes is not the most important thing. What’s most important is the essence. My songs and dances are outlines for Him to come in and fill. I hold out the form. She puts in the sweetness. …
(Michael Jackson,
God, Dancing the Dream)

Michael strongly believes that his ability to create music is a gift of God. The best thing about being a pop star is …. “Getting to share your gift from God with the world and hope and pray they accept it and love it. I just want to make wonderful music and give them a treat to the eye with song and dance and a sense of escapism, that’s all really.” (News of the world, 2001)

Michael accepts this gift to reach it further on to others — and here we are again at the first theme ‘giving’. ‘Taking’ you can just from the almightiness of God and from your own strength, from the never ending circle of energy, but you shouldn’t suck others to profit yourself. Because in the long run you’ll then get less. Only if we alltogether ‘give’ in the sake of the other our world can be healed. Classical message of Michael Jacksons.

“I believe that all art has as it’s ultimate goal the union between the material and the spiritual, the human and the divine. I believe that to be the reason for the very existence of art.” (Michael Jackson talks to Oprah, 1993)

“Writing a song is like standing under a tree and trying to catch a leaf. Everything comes as a package. It’s the most wonderful, most spiritual thing …” (Michael Jackson, 1993)

Michael gets his music directly from above, that’s what he insists on. Hardly any other artist stresses that so much and so often. One of the world’s greatest living musicians again and again refuses to book his merits on his own account:
“Well, the songwriting process is something very difficult to explain because it’s very spiritual. It’s, uh …You really have it in the hands of God, and it’s as if its been written already — that’s the real truth. As if its been written in its entirety before you were born and you’re just really the source through which the songs come. Really. Because there is … they just fall right into your lap in it’s entirety. You don’t have to do much thinking about it. And I feel guilty having to put my name, sometimes, on the songs that I — I do write them — I compose them, I write them, I do the scoring, I do the lyrics, I do the melodies but still, it’s a … it’s a work of God.” (Michael Jackson, Yahoo Audio Chat, 2001)

And he has to be a very special person to have this gift, right? Not many people are blessed with his abilities. No, on the opposite, actually just very, very few …

Some people are able to retreat so far from the world’s noise that they can hear what is called: ‘music of the sphere’. And those few being able to enjoy it tell us this: “Each ascended light-being sends out an individual keynote, which is weaved into a beautiful symphony of sounds. And while moving through the interstellar space, the mixture of cosmic tones displays an inspiration for all those who have the privilege to have access to the abilities of the inner ear.” (Book of Life, P. 203). “We were told that we could hear music each time we get quiet … and that this music is what is called an angel’s choir. They call it the ‘symphony of souls in harmony’.’ (Spalding, VolI, P. 130).

Michael describes his feeling like this:
“Deep inside I feel that this world we live in is really a big, huge, monumental symphonic orchestra. I believe that in its primordial form all of creation is sound and that it’s not just random sound, that it’s music. You’ve heard the expression, music of the spheres? Well, that’s a very literal phrase. In the Gospels, we read, ‘And the Lord God made man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.’ That breath of life to me is the music of life and it permeates every fiber of creation.” (Ebony 1989)

“People ask me how I make music. I tell them I just step into it. It’s like stepping into a river and joining the flow. Every moment in the river has its song. So I stay in the moment and listen.

What I hear is never the same. A walk through the woods brings a light crackling song: Leaves rustle in the wind, birds chatter and squirrels scold, twigs crunch underfoot, and the beat of my heart holds it all together.

When you join the flow, the music is inside and outside, and both are the same. As long as I can listen to the moment, I’ll always have music.” (Michael Jackson, How I Make Music, Dancing the Dream)

“That’s exactly what it is, you’re connected to a higher source and you just go with the moment and you become one with, you know, the spirit. Not to sound religious or anything, but it’s a very spiritual … very much like religion, and it’s a God-given gift and you just go with it. And I’m honored to have been given it.”

“The mission of ‘Heal The World’, my mission, is healing. Pure and simple. To heal the world we must start by healing our children. Being with them connects us to the deep wisdom of life. This simple goodness shines straight from their hearts. We have to heal our wounded planet.”
Michael Jackson

an interview with Deepak Chopra M.D.

Aired June 13, 2005 – 19:00:00 ET

A.J. HAMMER, CO-HOST: Deepak Chopra is Michael Jackson’s friend and spiritual adviser. He joins us now live from San Diego, California.

Thanks for being with us, Deepak.

DEEPAK CHOPRA, AUTHOR: You’re welcome.

HAMMER: What is your reaction to the events of the day, free and acquitted on all ten counts?

CHOPRA: I’m relieved. You know, several months ago, just before the trial started, I looked Michael Jackson in the eye. I said, “Michael, is there any truth to any of this?” And he looked me straight in the eye and he said, “No.”


I called his nanny, who I know very well, because she used to work for me. And I asked her the Same question. And she looked me straight in the eye and she said, “No.” So then I told Michael, I said, “Stay with yourself, have faith in yourself, meditate, pray, and be strong.” And you know, even during the trial, he would leave messages for me on my voicemail saying he was fine, and he wondered if I was fine.

HAMMER: OK, so you received voicemail messages from him. You sent some to him. And you spoke with him before the trial. When’s the actual last time you spoke directly with Michael?

CHOPRA: Well, I actually spoke to the nanny as he was leaving the house. And then I spoke to the nanny again as he came back. And he sent a message to me through her saying he would talk later tonight or tomorrow, and that he thanked me for our friendship and so on. But I haven`t spoken to him directly in the last few days.

HAMMER: So judging by the phone conversations that you had with him, or the direct conversations, and those voicemail messages that you received from him, what was his state of mind while the trial was going on? Obviously, we know he was under an awful lot of stress and that had certain medical manifestations, but what was your perception of his state of mind?

CHOPRA: I’m sure he was troubled and he was anxious. But, you know, Michael’s an interesting person. The day he got arrested, my son called him. And he was in handcuffs. And he told my son, “Are you all right?” You know, “Don’t worry about me. Take care of yourself.” And he was actually asking about his welfare.

And every time I spoke to Michael, he would do that. He would be more concerned about how everything was going on with me. And even though I knew he was anxious, he was always maintaining that appearance of strength, and he tried to be as strong as he could.

HAMMER: And what is your sense, knowing him as you do, of what he’s going through right now, and exactly how he’s doing? Because it’s been quite a ride for him, obviously.

CHOPRA: Yes. You know, I’ve known Michael for 20 years. And I think he’s, more than anything else, he’s relieved.

He’s a very good father. I know his children, and they’re very healthy, and they love him. They never watched anything that was happening on TV, so they never knew what was going on. And they were quite taken up by the emotional, you know, outburst of joy in the house when the verdict was announced.

They didn’t know what was happening. So, you know, Michael is relieved that he can be with his children. He was very worried what would happen to his children if there was a verdict against him.

HAMMER: So needless to say, he’s very happy on that occasion.

Now, you mention that, at the beginning of the trial, you suggested that he stay with himself and be with his feelings. Can you give us a little glimpse into what other ways you advised him through the course of this trial?

CHOPRA: Well, you know, I told you, I’ve known Michael for 20 years. And we’ve had some periods where we spent a lot of time together and then long periods where we haven’t spoken.

But every once in a while when I speak to him, I ask him if he’s practicing his meditation, which I taught him 20 years ago, and he reassures me that he is, and that he’s always taking 20 minutes of silence in the morning and frequently also in the evening, and that he is always sure that if he was innocent, he would be proved innocent.

And, you know, he never expressed any doubt to me ever that he was going to — that the verdict was going to go any other way.

HAMMER: Well, I’m sure he’s very thankful for all the help you gave him along the way. And we’re thankful that you joined us here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, Deepak Chopra, live in San Diego.

CHOPRA: Thank you. (Fanship turns to Friendship – we care for Michael Jackson)

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